Michael Hyatt:
Friday I was talking to a couple business owners partners, and they said, yeah, but if we let them work remotely, how do you measure productivity? How do you know they’re just not goofing off. Hi, this is Michael Hyatt.

Megan Hyatt Miller:
And I’m Megan Hyatt Miller.

Michael Hyatt:
And this is Lead to Win your weekly podcast to help you win at work and succeed at life. Today we’re going to be talking about four insights on the state of productivity in 2022. Recently, we surveyed more than 200 people who self-identified as high achievers across 10 key productivity categories to find out how they’re getting it all done. Now, those 10 categories were goal setting, daily rituals, energy management, sleep, work location, work hours, task management, work communication, meetings and coworkers. And you can get the full report for free at leadto.win/report, leadto.win/report. So Megan, are you ready to get into this?

Megan Hyatt Miller:
Yeah. I can’t wait. I had the opportunity to review this report a few days ago. Oh my gosh, there are so many insights in this report. We’re only going to be able to scratch the surface, but if you like so many people in our audience consider yourself a productivity enthusiast, or you’re just like, whew, I’m having a hard time figuring out, how to dial in all the things so I can get it all done or get the most important things done. You got to get this report, because there are so many things you’re not going to find anywhere else that might help you really get the edge in one of these areas, these 10 categories that you just listed that made you feel like you’re struggling with, or you want to optimize. So make sure to download that report. Okay. So we’re going to jump right in and we’re going to look at five insights from the survey to help you get an edge in your productivity. So dad, tell us what insight number one is.

Michael Hyatt:
Okay. 78% of high achievers work remotely, but 69% are going back into the office at least one day per week. Now, obviously the pandemic changed everything, even people that were resistant to remote work sometimes had no choice. I mean, during the lockdowns, you either went into remote work with your team or you didn’t get any work done. And I think a lot of people were pleasantly surprised by how much they could get done. But some people wanted to revert back to five days a week in the office. Can you explain why that doesn’t work, Megan?

Megan Hyatt Miller:
Yeah. Gosh. I feel like those companies are in many cases really struggling right now because our team members have experienced the benefits of working from home, things that have nothing to do with their productivity professionally, but have a lot to do with their wellbeing and their productivity personally, things like… I’ve been thinking about working at home myself, which I do some of the time, I can go stick a load of laundry in when I go downstairs to get a cup of coffee, I can get the crockpot going for dinner while I’m eating lunch at the kitchen counter.

Megan Hyatt Miller:
I’m able to let the guy under to repair the AC in between meetings, things that otherwise would’ve happened late at night or been the difference maker in terms of eating healthy or maybe because I’m not commuting, I can get an exercise routine consistently implemented in my life. I mean, these are big wins for people that, if they were commuting 30 minutes or more each way to a job, are not on the table. And I don’t think people are willing to go back again to the stress of having a totally segmented life where they have to try to find time to do all these things and keep coming up short.

Michael Hyatt:
I sometimes get the objection from business owners, in fact, that happened to me on Friday, I was talking to a couple business owners partners and they said, yeah, but if we let them work remotely, how do you measure productivity? How do you know they’re just not goofing off?

Megan Hyatt Miller:
Yeah.

Michael Hyatt:
And I said, well, how do you know that’s not happening when they’re in the office?

Megan Hyatt Miller:
Right.

Michael Hyatt:
Because unless you’re standing behind them or you have some surveillance software hooked into their computer, you don’t know, they may be scrolling Facebook or checking Instagram or shopping on Amazon or doing 101 things that aren’t productive. So if you really are asking that question, you’ve probably got the wrong people. Now, having said that, just because you’re committed to working remotely or at least some of the time remotely, I don’t think all remotely is the best option.

Megan Hyatt Miller:
Yeah. I Think.

Michael Hyatt:
We subscribe to and advocate for hybrid work where there’s some of the days that you’re in the office and some of the days that you’re at home, but I will say this, don’t focus on coming up with a bunch of rules. You’ve got to give people some sense of autonomy over their schedule. I think that’s what people want more than anything to know that they’ve got some agency over their schedule, they can work, how they work. In my case, I work most of the time in my studio behind the house, I go in to the office for meetings and so forth. Like I was there this morning as you know, Megan, because we had a big meeting, but I’m working at a home most of the time and I’m super productive being at home, but what’s your philosophy on that with our own team is you reopened the office and invited people to come back?

Megan Hyatt Miller:
Well, it’s so interesting. I think maybe we can link to this in the show notes. We had a whole episode on hybrid work and just the re-entry back into the office, post a 100% virtual everything. But I think what we’re finding, and as I talk to my other CEO friends, what we’re finding with our team members is, people, one, want to have the autonomy to work at home. So that’s a big thing for all the reasons we just talked about, but they also need connection in person. And-

Michael Hyatt:
Yes.

Megan Hyatt Miller:
… There are some kinds of work that are worse done virtually, like creative meetings, brainstorming meetings. I had a marketing meeting last week with several members of our marketing and product teams. It was super productive, the whiteboard was going, we had like four different colors of markers. Could we have done that with a whiteboard app on Zoom? Yeah. In terms of literally we could have done that meeting. Would it have been as creative? Probably not. There’s something that happens when you’re sitting in the same room with people with a whiteboard that’s really valuable.

Megan Hyatt Miller:
In the same way you and I walked in from across the hall from my office to our co-working space in the kind of kitchen area. And there were about 10 or more people right there in the kitchen getting their lunch, getting coffee, talking, and that’s good for our team members. They were connecting with each other while they were between meetings and getting lunch and getting drinks and things like that. And that’s really important for people, for their wellbeing, for their sense of connectedness to the company. It’s not all transactional. And I think what we’re hearing from people is, one, they want autonomy, but they also don’t want to have just transactional relationships with their coworkers. So we’ve got to find ways to have autonomy and meaningful connection. And I think the hybrid model works really well.

Michael Hyatt:
I do too. And it makes me a little crazy sometimes when I see people frame this up as either, or.

Megan Hyatt Miller:
Right.

Michael Hyatt:
Either it’s all at home or it’s all in the office. And I think the best of both worlds is the right answer-

Megan Hyatt Miller:
[inaudible 00:07:36].

Michael Hyatt:
… For most companies.

Megan Hyatt Miller:
Yeah.

Michael Hyatt:
Now, obviously, if you have a manufacturing plant and people have to be on the line working for the whole thing to work, then there’s not an option to do that at home. Right, but insofar as you can do it, I would suggest you do it.

Megan Hyatt Miller:
Right. Especially if you have knowledge workers. That’s what people expect now. And that creates satisfaction in your employees and engagement, which drives performance.

Michael Hyatt:
Exactly. Okay. Insight number two, 49% of high achievers work, 50 plus hours per week. Meg, what do you make of this?

Megan Hyatt Miller:
Yeah. So interesting, because in our survey, only 18% of high achievers said that they were expected to work more than 50 hours a week. So we’re talking about, there’s some explicit or implicit pressure that they need to be working 50 plus hours a week. However, and this is what’s so interesting, five in 10 people do it anyway. So nobody is telling them that they need to do it, and yet they’re still doing it. Isn’t that fascinating?

Michael Hyatt:
It is. And I think what’s really fascinating is to pull the lid off and say, okay, what’s driving that?

Megan Hyatt Miller:
Right.

Michael Hyatt:
And I think part of what drives that is, we do have a culture that esteems or values long work hours. Somehow that communicates commitment or industriousness or diligence or something. And I also think it’s, at work is one of those places, and I hate to say this out loud, but it’s one of those places that we go to escape some of the things that are less quantifiable and less measurable, like raising a family.

Megan Hyatt Miller:
Right.

Michael Hyatt:
That’s one of those things that, man, sometimes you feel like it’s three steps forward and four steps back.

Megan Hyatt Miller:
Yeah.

Michael Hyatt:
And so to be at work, at least you can deliver a measurable result and feel good about yourself. And I think this is largely unconscious. I don’t think people do this on purpose, but it happens anyway. I mean, how else can you explain this?

Megan Hyatt Miller:
Or maybe you’re lonely, and rather than feel that you’ll just find yourself working at night, especially if you live alone, this can be particularly challenging because there’s not anybody saying like, Hey, you need to come put the kids to bed, or Hey, I need your help cleaning the kitchen or whatever. And that can be a really big challenge as well, but this is why at full focus, we advocate for the double win, winning at work and succeeding at life.

Megan Hyatt Miller:
We are passionate about high performance, we want our clients to have businesses that are growing and highly profitable and doing work that they love, but we also want them to have thriving personal lives. We want them to have healthy marriages and healthy bodies and great relationships with their kids and friends and hobbies and all that kind of stuff. And you just can’t do that if you’re consistently working 50, 60, 70 hours a week, because it takes time to attend to the other areas of your life. So we really want to focus on teaching people to achieve more by doing less, which is a big focus of our work for this reason because this is not sustainable.

Michael Hyatt:
One of the things I wrote about in my book Free to Focus was that, after about 40 hours of work per week, your productivity actually begins to go down. So in other words, for every unit of energy that you expend, you’re not getting back a unit of productivity, that starts to go down after about 40 hours. And then there’s this thing called the rule of 55 that says, after 55 hours, you’re actually going backwards, you’re undoing what you’ve done. I think one of the hacks that I learned from my very first executive coach was he said, you need to set a hard boundary around your work. And so I did. And in those days, this seemed heroic, though now looking back on it still wasn’t enough. But I said a boundary where I said, I’m going to quit work at 6:00 PM every day, and I’m going to go home and I’m not going to crack my laptop until the next morning.

Michael Hyatt:
Well, what happened before I established that boundary is that my work will just expand to the time allotted for it. It’s kind of like the reverse of Parkinson’s law. My work would expand to the time allotted for it. So if I thought to myself, Hey, I can stay here till 7:00 or 8:00 at night. Guess what? I goofed off more. I had more of those water cooler discussions where I wasn’t really accomplishing that much. And I just wasn’t focused like I needed to be. Suddenly, when I had a hard boundary, a hard stop time, I got really focused. I got my priorities were identified early and I stayed on them till I got them done. I really think that’s the key, is to having a hard boundary. It will make you more productive.

Megan Hyatt Miller:
Yeah. I think that’s so helpful. I’ve done that in my own life with picking my kids up from school. We were talking just right before we started this episode about how I was doing on time because we recorded another episode right before, I said, “I’m good, but I got to leave at 2:30 to go pick up Jonah from school.” That’s usually the time that I am in the car and otherwise there’s going to be a sad little boy waiting at school with no mom to pick him up. So that really helps me hem things in and I’ll do calls and stuff on the way. So I work till about 3:00, but that has proven to be very helpful, creating that hard stop over the years.

Michael Hyatt:
It really is interesting, in a lot of places, particularly in Europe, they’ve been experimenting with shorter work weeks. And in almost every case, there’s been a boost to productivity. And so, I think that’s something to watch, but I really do think more than about 40 hours a week, for most people, and I get that there are seasons when you have to go out of balance and you’re going to be working 50 or 60 or 70 hours, but the thing you can’t do is convince yourself that temporary situation is temporary when in fact you roll right into another temporary situation and over time that becomes permanent.

Megan Hyatt Miller:
Yeah. I think that’s a really good point. Well, what I remember from the report is there are so many more insights about how much people are working and it’s not exactly what you think. I just want to remind you guys, you definitely want to get this free report. There are so many insights that will help you improve your own productivity and you can find that and leadto.win/report. Okay. Dad, what’s insight number three?

Michael Hyatt:
Okay. It’s, 35% of high achievers feel most energized between 8:00 AM and 10:00 AM. So let me start with this. Does this ring true to you?

Megan Hyatt Miller:
100%.

Michael Hyatt:
Here’s. The big question, do you think that’s because of your particular chronotype? Do you think we attract people with a certain chronotype? And maybe we should explain that term.

Megan Hyatt Miller:
Yeah.

Michael Hyatt:
So there’s two books that talk about chronotypes and they’re trying to get at when’s the best time to do your work. And they’re premise, this is book Daniel Pink, he has a book called When, and then there’s another book by Michael Bruce, and that’s called the Power of When, but both of those books address this issue of when, based on your personality type, should you do your work. And some people like to do their work in the morning, some people do it midday, some people do it late into the night. I don’t know if it’s just because we attract those people that do their best work in the morning, or if it’s more true than that across the board for high achievers, but it definitely rings true for me.

Megan Hyatt Miller:
Yeah. I don’t know. I don’t know which one it is, but, I personally, this definitely resonates with me. I think if I didn’t have young kids, I could probably get up and start working at like 5:00 in the morning and be done by lunchtime. And that would be a great schedule for me, because sometimes I feel like the afternoon isn’t very productive, just energy wise. However, Erin Perry on our team who is our chief experience officer, she is like a total night owl, and every now and then when she has big projects that she wants to work on, she likes to do it at night. We have something at full focus called flex Wednesdays where people can decide what time of day they want to work. And she will often work at night because she likes that time for her own productivity, which makes me think, and obviously it’s totally anecdotal, but it makes me think that there really are different types here. But I think that our culture probably leans us more toward these morning people kind of people, especially for high achievers.

Michael Hyatt:
Yeah. And I think the thing that we have to acknowledge in this particular insight and just to repeat it, 35% of high achievers feel most energized between 8:00 and 10:00 AM, which means that 65% don’t.

Megan Hyatt Miller:
Right.

Michael Hyatt:
Okay?

Megan Hyatt Miller:
True.

Michael Hyatt:
So do your work when it works. So for example, in my case, because I am energized in the morning, Jim, my assistant always schedules creative work in the morning. That’s what I’m going to be at my best, that’s what I’m going to be at my most creative. So anything that has to be creative, he’s going to schedule in the morning. My afternoons are better for maintenance kinds of tasks or things where I don’t have to do something that’s that’s that creative. And so all I would say is, figure out when your most creative time is and use that to your advantage, because the truth is, you only get a few of those hours every day and not all time is created equal.

Michael Hyatt:
And so, whatever works best for you, don’t let those early morning risers shame you into thinking that you have to get everything done first thing in the morning. And I got to tell you with my own kids, Megan, you can attest to this, that I shamed my girls into thinking that unless they were early morning riders, they were [inaudible 00:17:32]. And one of my daughters in particular, I really gave her a hard time for years and she just does her best work at night. And so finally, when I became aware of chronotypes, I had to repent, ask for forgiveness, and just say, look, honey, you’re like one of the most productive people I know you just work when you work best, forget everything I’ve said while you were growing up, get therapy, whatever, get over it, but you can work whenever you need to work.

Megan Hyatt Miller:
That’s hilarious. I think shaming might be a strong word, I think you probably encouraged. I don’t know if I can go all the way she, I was like, whoa. [inaudible 00:18:06].

Michael Hyatt:
I think if you ask her, she might say it was shaming.

Megan Hyatt Miller:
Okay. Well, this is what happens when you have a big family, you have, in our case, five different kids with five different interpretations of what happens. So that’s very pretty normal.

Michael Hyatt:
One of the things I tell parents is, you need to save for college for your kids, you need to save for weddings, particularly if they’re girls in our culture and you need to save for a therapy fund.

Megan Hyatt Miller:
Right.

Michael Hyatt:
All three of those.

Megan Hyatt Miller:
I just really put the therapy at the top. That’s my strategy. Yeah. Okay. Insight number four. What is it?

Michael Hyatt:
Okay. Insight number four is, sleep is the most important self care activity for 31% of high achievers, but we struggle to get enough.

Megan Hyatt Miller:
Yeah.

Michael Hyatt:
Amen, and amen.

Megan Hyatt Miller:
There’s a lot that we won’t be able to get to in this episode about sleep, in the report, you’re really going to want to get into the report for more details on this. Kind of like what you said with the last insight about, when people feel energized, if 31% of people feel that sleep is our most important self care activity, way more people than that think it’s not. That is a really interesting thing. Personally for me, Joel, my husband and our chief product officer is on this show in the background. And he will tell you, we had a conversation about it yesterday. We were making dinner at the kitchen counter, we were making Greek salads and we were talking about sleep and that is just number one for me, like-

Michael Hyatt:
Me too.

Megan Hyatt Miller:
… Every day, all day, sleep number one till the cows come home.

Michael Hyatt:
So how much do you average?

Megan Hyatt Miller:
Well-

Michael Hyatt:
Be truthful.

Megan Hyatt Miller:
Okay.

Michael Hyatt:
Come on.

Megan Hyatt Miller:
I want to go to bed at 9:00… This is our whole conversation. So Joel is naturally more of a night owl, like if we weren’t married, he’d probably stay up till midnight every night, whatever that chrontype is. I could probably go to bed at eight o’clock. We compromise and we normally go to bed around 9:30 right now, but I really want to go to bed at 9:00, we get up at 5:00, so I can get a full eight hours.

Megan Hyatt Miller:
Obviously, we’re trying to juggle all kinds of stuff with our kids and the challenge we were just talking about. There’s so many things that you’re trying to squeeze into your life. It feels like at some point, if you’re going to bed too early, you’re missing out. Especially if you have kids because that’s the only time that’s quiet that you have to yourself. I think this is challenging and I really get it. I mean, we’re right there in the thick of it, but in general we probably get seven to seven and a half hours a night and I would like to get eight. So I’m working on that.

Michael Hyatt:
Yeah. One of the things that I do, because I believe in the value of sleep so much is that I have one of these Oura Rings. O-U-

Megan Hyatt Miller:
Yeah. I just ordered one. Did I tell you?

Michael Hyatt:
You did?

Megan Hyatt Miller:
Yeah.

Michael Hyatt:
That’s great. So my wife, Gail, she thought it was silly until she didn’t and she saw the results I was getting that I was more rested, I was sleeping more, my sleep was improving dramatically. And so I got her one for Christmas. She agreed to it. I got her one for Christmas. She loves it too, but we track our sleep like hawks. Now, we’re not neurotic about it, and some people can be really neurotic about it. I’m not that, but here’s what I’ve noticed, that when I’ve got good information, I can make good decisions.

Megan Hyatt Miller:
Yeah.

Michael Hyatt:
So for example, I know I’ve learned since I’ve had the Oura Ring that if I eat too late at night, then it takes too long for my resting heart rate to come down and it fights a state of sleep called deep sleep.

Megan Hyatt Miller:
Okay.

Michael Hyatt:
Okay. And if I drink alcohol at night that’s going to typically have the same kind of impact. Or ice cream late at night, that’s going to have the same kind of impact. So when you start seeing this and you start correlating the quality of your sleep with your behavior, then you can modify your behavior.

Megan Hyatt Miller:
Yeah.

Michael Hyatt:
And so now I typically get between, I would say seven and a half to eight and a half hours. Like today I got… Last night I got six hours and 50 minutes and I was not happy about it. That wasn’t enough. But the day before I got nine hours, and so that was great.

Megan Hyatt Miller:
That’s the best.

Michael Hyatt:
One amazing fact about Tom Brady. There’s a lot, but one amazing fact about Tom Brady who has been able to perform into his later years, and I have to kind of chuckle when I say that, because what is he like 39 or something?

Megan Hyatt Miller:
No, I think he’s 47. Is that right?

Michael Hyatt:
Yeah. Well, anyway, whatever it is. As a NFL football player, particularly a quarterback, he’s pretty old to be a quarterback, and particularly to be the top performing quarterback in the NFL. Well, one of the secrets to his success, obviously, has natural ability, all that kind of stuff, genetically, but he sleeps nine hours a night. And that’s like a huge priority for him. And it is for me too, because… I remember hearing Dan Sullivan say this. He said, “If you ever noticed that when you don’t get enough sleep, everybody else gets really stupid.” And it’s true. Right?

Megan Hyatt Miller:
It’s so true.

Michael Hyatt:
So yeah, I’m more creative. I’m more resourceful. I’m more productive. All that happens when I get enough sleep. And good sleep doesn’t just happen, you’ve got to train yourself into, it’s like any other skill, you’ve got to train yourself into it. You can get better if you set the intention and educate yourself.

Megan Hyatt Miller:
Well, and I think you also have to be clear on what you’re gaining, because it’s a trade off. Like Joel and I were talking about last-

Michael Hyatt:
Its true.

Megan Hyatt Miller:
… Night when we were making dinner, there are trade offs. There are things you’re not going to be able to do because you’re going to bed earlier. And I think that’s where the game is won or lost. It’s not just about what time you get up, it’s about really the first choice is what time you’re going to go to bed, and you got to be clear on that. And you got to be really clear on what you’re giving up, but you also have to be clear on what you’re gaining. And for example, the research about Alzheimer’s and dementia related to sleep, hygiene as they call it is really compelling. If you want to have access to your full mental faculties for as long as possible, one of the best things you can do now is sleep. Interestingly in our survey, kind of one more point on this, only four in 10 people got between seven and eight hours of sleep at night. You all are not sleeping enough.

Michael Hyatt:
Truly.

Megan Hyatt Miller:
I mean that-

Michael Hyatt:
You need some rest people-

Megan Hyatt Miller:
You all need some rest-

Michael Hyatt:
… Get some sleep.

Megan Hyatt Miller:
… Consider this your permission slip for a good night’s sleep. I’m excited to try that Oura Ring. By the way, it’s O-U-R-A, if you’re interested in that. We talk a lot about this in our book, When to Work and Succeeded at Life, because we are so passionate about sleep as a performance strategy. If you really want to perform at your best, if you want to be the Tom Brady of your world, you’ve got to have your mind and body in tiptop shape, and sleep is the way to do that.

Michael Hyatt:
Okay. Before we leave this topic, we have got to talk about one of my favorite topics.

Megan Hyatt Miller:
Oh, I can’t wait.

Michael Hyatt:
But I’m not sure that we’re aligned on this. And that is, the power of napping. Napping people.

Megan Hyatt Miller:
No, I’m not.

Michael Hyatt:
So I grew up in an environment where I always felt a little bit guilty taking a nap. And I think that that’s a lot of people, that if you’re taking a nap, it must be because you’re a sluggard and you just need to get-

Megan Hyatt Miller:
Is that a real word?

Michael Hyatt:
Sluggard?

Megan Hyatt Miller:
Is that like a Bible word?

Michael Hyatt:
It’s a Bible word.

Megan Hyatt Miller:
Okay.

Michael Hyatt:
Yeah. It just means you’re slothful.

Megan Hyatt Miller:
I’m just going to start saying that to my kids.

Michael Hyatt:
Okay. Don’t be a sluggard. Yeah. Shame is underrated. Anyway, so I… and to, just to give you permission, first of all, some of the most accomplished people in the history of the world, we know were nappers. People like Winston Churchill, people like John F. Kennedy, people like Ronald Reagan. And there’s probably a whole raft. I got a blog post will link to it where I talk about a bunch of these people who are chronic serial compulsive nappers.

Michael Hyatt:
Now, a lot of people will say to me, people, particularly that are your age, Megan and younger, they’ll say, oh, I’d like to take a nap. But honestly, I wake up worse than when I went to sleep. I wake up totally groggy.

Megan Hyatt Miller:
Yeah.

Michael Hyatt:
That’s because you naps too long. I’m a professional napper. I’m talking from a place of expertise. So I sleep 20 minutes. And I have trained myself to sleep 20 minutes, and rarely longer than 20 minutes, but it’s an acquired skill. And even if I just laid there and can’t go to sleep… And in the early days, when I started napping, I had a hard time falling to sleep, but I train myself. I can go out in about three minutes. In fact, that’s one of the biggest criticisms that I get on the Oura Ring is that I fall to sleep too fast. They call it sleep latency. But I to train myself.

Megan Hyatt Miller:
Wait a second, that’s the thing we’re worried about?

Michael Hyatt:
I know. Exactly. I’m I’m thinking to myself, I should be getting like double stars for that.

Megan Hyatt Miller:
Seriously though, why is that a problem? Never until this moment have I ever heard about that, I’ve always thought the problem was, it takes too long.

Michael Hyatt:
Well, here’s what they say, Oura gives you these prompts. And one of the things that it’ll say is if you look at sleep latency, it’s basically, if you fall asleep that fast, it means you’re too tired and you’re not getting enough sleep in general.

Megan Hyatt Miller:
Really?

Michael Hyatt:
Yeah. But I-

Megan Hyatt Miller:
Okay. I cannot wait to get this Ring. I feel like we’re going to need to do an Oura Ring episode after I get mine-

Michael Hyatt:
No., we-

Megan Hyatt Miller:
… We’ll get all the people that have them on, we’ll do a whole episode. You know who told me about this? Lisa Hiscock.

Michael Hyatt:
Beside me?

Megan Hyatt Miller:
Beside you, Lisa Hiscock, my trainer, we were talking about… I was telling her that I was having a little trouble doing cardio, that I was feeling just like it was harder than it should be. And she said, “Do you have an Oura Ring?” And I said, “No, I’ve got an apple watch and I really used that well.” And she said, “I think you should see what it tells you about your sleep because that might be the problem.” And I was like, okay, Lisa, for the win, we’ll put her info in the show notes, by the way, because if you’re looking for a virtual trainer, she is the best we’ve used her for years and years. We love her. But anyway, I did not even know we needed to be worried about falling asleep too quickly.

Michael Hyatt:
Well, I want to say one last thing about naps, but I have taken a nap… Because some people say, well, yeah, you’re privileged, you can take a nap because you’re on your own business. Look, I have taken a nap almost every day since before I started college. In every job context, including in college, working at a small engine shop, working in situations where I didn’t have a private office, working in the executive suite, working as the CEO of a really big company, and even now, and I’ve done that in every context, 20 to 30 minutes.

Megan Hyatt Miller:
Okay.

Michael Hyatt:
And it’s possible, you just got to get creative about it and you got to find a place to do it, but it is so worth it. Winston Churchill, I think, was the one that said that a nap actually turns one day into two days because he then finds himself Uber productive in the afternoon after he is taken a nap. And that’s the case for me.

Megan Hyatt Miller:
All right. Well, once again-

Michael Hyatt:
Are you convinced?

Megan Hyatt Miller:
I might be, I will tell you. I love to nap. I mean, Joel will tell you on a Sunday afternoon, Saturday afternoon, my best weekend is I get a nap on Saturday and Sunday. I’m the kind of person that wants to get in my pajamas, I want to make the room dark, I want to get really cold. I want to turn the fan on, turn the noise maker. I got a whole thing. I want to be out for like two to three hours. That is my holy grail. I don’t normally get to do that now, but at least like an hour and a half. This is not really like power napping, this is like marathon napping.

Michael Hyatt:
Well, I don’t know what to do, I’ve tried to set the best example I know for you. I’ve tried to exhort you. You’re still napping. Come on. You’re doing it wrong.

Megan Hyatt Miller:
I know. Well, you know what? Maybe I’ll give it a try.

Michael Hyatt:
All right, let’s go back over these four insights that we got from the report. Again, you guys can get the report @leadto.win/report. Download the full report, it’ll give you so many ideas. In fact, I will download it and talk with my team about it and say, what could we do as a team to make our team even more productive?

Michael Hyatt:
But for insights, insight number one, 78% of high achievers work remotely, but 69% are going back into the office at least one day per week. What does that mean for your team? Insight number two, 49% of high achievers work 50 plus hours per week. Insight number three, 35% of high achievers feel most energized between 8:00 and 10:00 AM. And then inside number four, my favorite, as if you couldn’t tell, sleep is the most important self care activity for 31% of high achievers, but we struggle to get enough. Megan, any final thoughts?

Megan Hyatt Miller:
Well, I think there’s so many tips and tricks in this report. It’s not just a report on the current state of affairs for people in productivity, in these 10 categories. We’ve also given a lot of our best tips and tricks around how you can optimize. So I think there’s a lot that will be beneficial to you there, but you often reference that quote that you can improve what you don’t measure. I think that’s how it goes. And what I love about this report and just going through the findings is that, it kind of gives us a baseline of what’s normal. What is happening with most folks that would be like us, kind of in this high achiever category. And there are really so many small ways that we can optimize our productivity in these 10 categories. It doesn’t have to be big dramatic shifts. I mean, for some of us-

Michael Hyatt:
That’s right.

Megan Hyatt Miller:
… An extra 30 minutes or hour of sleep is what we need. We don’t need like five more hours, we just need a little bit more, we just need to be thinking about when we do our best work, we just need maybe a little more autonomy in where we do our work or whatever. In these categories, and I think once we have that measurement as a baseline and we have some ideas for how to make these little tweaks, we can make significant improvement with relatively little efforts. So that’s what gets me excited. I think you guys are going to love reading this report and finding yourself in it.

Michael Hyatt:
Awesome. Well, I hope you guys have enjoyed this episode of Lead to Win. We look forward to being with you next time, until then, nap to win.

Megan Hyatt Miller:
Nap to win. I want that podcast. I like to nap to win right now.